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		<title>By: &#187; Supplemental Conversation #1: Jabiz Raisdana The Lie of Community</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Supplemental Conversation #1: Jabiz Raisdana The Lie of Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some of his thoughts about community offline, online and in our classrooms, as well as his (then) fresh experiences from the Learning 2.008 Conference.  I think his recent post on how we present ourselves through our avatars is interesting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some of his thoughts about community offline, online and in our classrooms, as well as his (then) fresh experiences from the Learning 2.008 Conference.  I think his recent post on how we present ourselves through our avatars is interesting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Genki!!!</title>
		<link>http://intrepidteacher.edublogs.org/2008/09/24/learning-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Genki!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya Jabiz, great stuff.
I haven&#039;t really fleshed out a Learning 2.008 post yet, but I agree that the technology is nearly superfluous in the educational venture. But I&#039;ve always believed that, despite working as an IT technician.
Regardless, what really bothered me was that this thread of thought was not common among many of the technicians and IT-types that I met and heard at the conference. No doubt there were a few mixed in, but I found it distressing that few schools appeared to be fleshing out ideas despite dumping troves of money into various programs. Where can we get if the IT Crew is stuck in the vice of technolust?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya Jabiz, great stuff.<br />
I haven&#8217;t really fleshed out a Learning 2.008 post yet, but I agree that the technology is nearly superfluous in the educational venture. But I&#8217;ve always believed that, despite working as an IT technician.<br />
Regardless, what really bothered me was that this thread of thought was not common among many of the technicians and IT-types that I met and heard at the conference. No doubt there were a few mixed in, but I found it distressing that few schools appeared to be fleshing out ideas despite dumping troves of money into various programs. Where can we get if the IT Crew is stuck in the vice of technolust?</p>
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		<title>By: Intrepidteacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intrepidteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well will you look at that, I write a post about how I don’t need big names reading my blog and @David Warlick comments about being in awe by me. Thanks David that is very kind, but I think his comment proves my point- We are all learners. From the sixth grader blogging for the first time, to the technology educational consultant, to the hundreds of teachers worldwide, we are all just learning. 

@Tad you make some great points. You must to excuse me; I tend to vacillate between love and hate, admiration and disgust with the idea of the edublogosphere and the echo chamber. Sometimes it feels that we are all saying the something, simply linking to each other and generally wasting a lot of time, while other times I feel a part of a great-connected family of educators. 

You said, “When we want to show connectedness with another person in real-life situations, we mirror their behavior, words, and views. This lets the other person know that we hold similar views, we see them empathetically, we’re on their “side.”

And I agree to an extent, but we also try to try to stake our claim in the world and see who we can draw to ourselves, to help keep our communities rich and vibrant. No body wants to hang out with only people who are exactly like themselves. 


You also said, How different is that sort of behavior from various bloggers all writing on a similar topic at the same time? You’re drawing lines, signaling allegiance, separating “us” from “them.” It seems an essential part of human social networking and interaction.

Thanks for putting it that way. Your point ha helped me see the echo chamber in a way. Maybe I can make better use of it, instead of always being so critical. 

@Jenny said it best: 

Let’s just keep on doing what we’re doing and see where it leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well will you look at that, I write a post about how I don’t need big names reading my blog and @David Warlick comments about being in awe by me. Thanks David that is very kind, but I think his comment proves my point- We are all learners. From the sixth grader blogging for the first time, to the technology educational consultant, to the hundreds of teachers worldwide, we are all just learning. </p>
<p>@Tad you make some great points. You must to excuse me; I tend to vacillate between love and hate, admiration and disgust with the idea of the edublogosphere and the echo chamber. Sometimes it feels that we are all saying the something, simply linking to each other and generally wasting a lot of time, while other times I feel a part of a great-connected family of educators. </p>
<p>You said, “When we want to show connectedness with another person in real-life situations, we mirror their behavior, words, and views. This lets the other person know that we hold similar views, we see them empathetically, we’re on their “side.”</p>
<p>And I agree to an extent, but we also try to try to stake our claim in the world and see who we can draw to ourselves, to help keep our communities rich and vibrant. No body wants to hang out with only people who are exactly like themselves. </p>
<p>You also said, How different is that sort of behavior from various bloggers all writing on a similar topic at the same time? You’re drawing lines, signaling allegiance, separating “us” from “them.” It seems an essential part of human social networking and interaction.</p>
<p>Thanks for putting it that way. Your point ha helped me see the echo chamber in a way. Maybe I can make better use of it, instead of always being so critical. </p>
<p>@Jenny said it best: </p>
<p>Let’s just keep on doing what we’re doing and see where it leads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Luca</title>
		<link>http://intrepidteacher.edublogs.org/2008/09/24/learning-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jabiz, You&#039;ve articulated so clearly much of what I felt about the conference. I have more questions than answers after leaving the conference. I&#039;m convinced, like you, that it is the power of community that is going to drive change in our schools. We know the tools that will help forge the community, but I know I will return to my school and face the same daily pressures and resistance that chips away at my belief. I want my students to have some understanding that they are part of a global village; that there are people everywhere who have the same desires for their loved ones and that we are all probably more the same than we are different. 
I enjoyed meeting you Jabiz and hope the opportunity will present itself again someday. Let&#039;s just keep on doing what we&#039;re doing and see where it leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jabiz, You&#8217;ve articulated so clearly much of what I felt about the conference. I have more questions than answers after leaving the conference. I&#8217;m convinced, like you, that it is the power of community that is going to drive change in our schools. We know the tools that will help forge the community, but I know I will return to my school and face the same daily pressures and resistance that chips away at my belief. I want my students to have some understanding that they are part of a global village; that there are people everywhere who have the same desires for their loved ones and that we are all probably more the same than we are different.<br />
I enjoyed meeting you Jabiz and hope the opportunity will present itself again someday. Let&#8217;s just keep on doing what we&#8217;re doing and see where it leads.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading this over lunch, and I admit this may not be the most careful reading, but I&#039;m confused...

...Isn&#039;t that building of community part of what makes the &quot;echo chamber&quot; effect necessary and relevant? When we want to show connectedness with another person in real-life situations, we mirror their behavior, words, and views. This lets the other person know that we hold similar views, we see them empathetically, we&#039;re on their &quot;side.&quot;

When we can&#039;t see one another face to face, when we keep in touch (and even find one another) via a textual medium that lets us break geographic boundaries (certainly few of my friends are interested in digital pedagogy, for example)-- isn&#039;t the &quot;echo chamber&quot; effect the result of similar mirroring behavior?

Real-life subcultures and interest groups tend to advertise their affiliation to their &quot;tribe&quot; via behaviors, dress, and use of coded language. Wearing a certain team&#039;s football jersey lets others know that the team matters to you, you count yourself as a supporter, etc. If others who feel the same way, they can spot you, and know they&#039;ve found a member of their tribe. The same can be said of the punk kid&#039;s studded vest and mohawk. Or, for that matter, of the much-more subtle things, like a sci-fi fan using a made-up word from her favorite show. You catch the clues, you know that person is like you, and you empathize, you socialize, you build and expand your network of like minded people.

How different is that sort of behavior from various bloggers all writing on a similar topic at the same time? You&#039;re drawing lines, signaling allegiance, separating &quot;us&quot; from &quot;them.&quot; It seems an essential part of human social networking and interaction.

...Just my two cents, from someone who&#039;s been lurking on your blog for a little while...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading this over lunch, and I admit this may not be the most careful reading, but I&#8217;m confused&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Isn&#8217;t that building of community part of what makes the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221; effect necessary and relevant? When we want to show connectedness with another person in real-life situations, we mirror their behavior, words, and views. This lets the other person know that we hold similar views, we see them empathetically, we&#8217;re on their &#8220;side.&#8221;</p>
<p>When we can&#8217;t see one another face to face, when we keep in touch (and even find one another) via a textual medium that lets us break geographic boundaries (certainly few of my friends are interested in digital pedagogy, for example)&#8211; isn&#8217;t the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221; effect the result of similar mirroring behavior?</p>
<p>Real-life subcultures and interest groups tend to advertise their affiliation to their &#8220;tribe&#8221; via behaviors, dress, and use of coded language. Wearing a certain team&#8217;s football jersey lets others know that the team matters to you, you count yourself as a supporter, etc. If others who feel the same way, they can spot you, and know they&#8217;ve found a member of their tribe. The same can be said of the punk kid&#8217;s studded vest and mohawk. Or, for that matter, of the much-more subtle things, like a sci-fi fan using a made-up word from her favorite show. You catch the clues, you know that person is like you, and you empathize, you socialize, you build and expand your network of like minded people.</p>
<p>How different is that sort of behavior from various bloggers all writing on a similar topic at the same time? You&#8217;re drawing lines, signaling allegiance, separating &#8220;us&#8221; from &#8220;them.&#8221; It seems an essential part of human social networking and interaction.</p>
<p>&#8230;Just my two cents, from someone who&#8217;s been lurking on your blog for a little while&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Warlick</title>
		<link>http://intrepidteacher.edublogs.org/2008/09/24/learning-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>David Warlick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth, today, is in the conversation.  I hope that meeting me revealed that I am, above all this stuff, just another learner.

The most persistent comment I remember from the conference, was when somebody leaned over to me and said, &quot;Do you know who he is?  That&#039;s the Intrepid Teachers.&quot;   I was in awe!

-- dave --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth, today, is in the conversation.  I hope that meeting me revealed that I am, above all this stuff, just another learner.</p>
<p>The most persistent comment I remember from the conference, was when somebody leaned over to me and said, &#8220;Do you know who he is?  That&#8217;s the Intrepid Teachers.&#8221;   I was in awe!</p>
<p>&#8211; dave &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one person may have &quot;the&quot; truth, but we each have &quot;a&quot; truth to share.

I am proud to count myself as a member of your tribe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one person may have &#8220;the&#8221; truth, but we each have &#8220;a&#8221; truth to share.</p>
<p>I am proud to count myself as a member of your tribe.</p>
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		<title>By: Tevor Meister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tevor Meister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said.  I don&#039;t think you will have wait very long now.  I don&#039;t know how to describe it exactly or explain it, but I have a very strong feeling that after a period of chaotic turbulence and swirl, (which I think has been evident for some time) some new educational and societal  &quot;attractors&quot; will emerge that will be very different from the status quo, be hard to attach labels to, and will &quot;just work&quot; effectively.  I can almost visualize http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html + IBO or offshoot of IB + loosely coupled network of dedicated educators +&quot;X factor&quot; = bountiful and sustainable harvest.  Keep tending the garden, and thank you for planting the seeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said.  I don&#8217;t think you will have wait very long now.  I don&#8217;t know how to describe it exactly or explain it, but I have a very strong feeling that after a period of chaotic turbulence and swirl, (which I think has been evident for some time) some new educational and societal  &#8220;attractors&#8221; will emerge that will be very different from the status quo, be hard to attach labels to, and will &#8220;just work&#8221; effectively.  I can almost visualize <a href="http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html</a> + IBO or offshoot of IB + loosely coupled network of dedicated educators +&#8221;X factor&#8221; = bountiful and sustainable harvest.  Keep tending the garden, and thank you for planting the seeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it makes such a difference to meet the people in person. I&#039;m so glad Alan Levine was one of the first I was able to meet.  I explained to him my reticence to leave comments on his blog, because he was such a big name.  He was surprised and instantly scolded me for thinking myself lower than others.  I think his comments gave me the courage I needed to just blog my heart out and not care about stats or what others think.  I have things to say, and I&#039;m going to say them.  I&#039;m glad you are doing the same!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it makes such a difference to meet the people in person. I&#8217;m so glad Alan Levine was one of the first I was able to meet.  I explained to him my reticence to leave comments on his blog, because he was such a big name.  He was surprised and instantly scolded me for thinking myself lower than others.  I think his comments gave me the courage I needed to just blog my heart out and not care about stats or what others think.  I have things to say, and I&#8217;m going to say them.  I&#8217;m glad you are doing the same!</p>
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